Rule 1 of the schema proposal holds that "the type is an attribute, not part of the identity", and the slug is meant to be the see name with generic type words stripped. #2 fixed this for the 58 Italian archdioceses whose Arcidiocesi di prefix the generator was missing.
Seven entries still carry a type word: Italy's territorial prelatures and territorial abbacies. They were deliberately left untouched in #2 because reducing them is a naming decision rather than a generator fix. This issue is to settle it.
The seven entries
| current ID |
name |
candidate |
circ:it-prelatura-territoriale-di-loreto |
Prelatura territoriale di Loreto |
circ:it-loreto |
circ:it-prelatura-territoriale-di-pompei |
Prelatura territoriale di Pompei |
circ:it-pompei |
circ:it-abbazia-territoriale-di-montecassino |
Abbazia territoriale di Montecassino |
circ:it-montecassino |
circ:it-abbazia-territoriale-di-montevergine |
Abbazia territoriale di Montevergine |
circ:it-montevergine |
circ:it-abbazia-territoriale-di-subiaco |
Abbazia territoriale di Subiaco |
circ:it-subiaco |
circ:it-abbazia-territoriale-di-monte-oliveto-maggiore |
Abbazia territoriale di Monte Oliveto Maggiore |
circ:it-monte-oliveto-maggiore |
circ:it-abbazia-territoriale-della-santissima-trinita-di-cava-de-tirreni |
Abbazia territoriale della Santissima Trinità di Cava de' Tirreni |
see below |
The military ordinariate (circ:it-ordinariato-militare-per-l-italia) is not in scope: rule 5 provides for ordinariates, which have no see beneath the type word.
Conflict check
Checked all seven candidates against the 2,935 seeded IDs. No collisions — circ:it-loreto, circ:it-pompei, circ:it-subiaco, circ:it-montecassino, circ:it-montevergine, circ:it-monte-oliveto-maggiore and circ:it-cava-de-tirreni are all free. So the reduction is mechanically safe, and the question is whether it is right.
The one case that needs a separate decision
Abbazia territoriale della Santissima Trinità di Cava de' Tirreni doesn't reduce cleanly, because its name carries both a dedication (Santissima Trinità) and a place (Cava de' Tirreni):
circ:it-cava-de-tirreni — free, but Cava de' Tirreni is already half the title of the archdiocese circ:it-amalfi-cava-de-tirreni. Two distinct circumscriptions would then be identified by the same place, which is exactly the confusion rule 2 exists to prevent.
circ:it-santissima-trinita-di-cava-de-tirreni — free and unambiguous, but keeps a di construction and identifies by dedication rather than by see.
- leave as-is.
Worth noting the abbacies generally differ from dioceses here: an abbacy's identity is bound to a monastery rather than to a civil city, so "the see name" is a less obvious notion for them than for a diocese. Montecassino and Subiaco reduce naturally because monastery and place coincide; Cava de' Tirreni is where that stops being true.
Questions to settle
- Should territorial prelatures and abbacies reduce to the bare name under rule 1, or does the type word belong to their identity in the way it does for ordinariates under rule 5?
- If they reduce, how is the Cava de' Tirreni abbacy identified?
- Should the reduction be encoded in
scripts/generate_seed.py's strip rule, or held in the MANUAL override table? The source styles these consistently, so a strip rule would work — but a rule that strips Abbazia territoriale di would apply to any nation's abbacies, and the seed is currently Latin-rite-only with more sources to come.
All IDs remain drafts pending committee review, so this is decidable now at no cost to consumers. Related discussion on identifier stability: #1.
Rule 1 of the schema proposal holds that "the type is an attribute, not part of the identity", and the slug is meant to be the see name with generic type words stripped. #2 fixed this for the 58 Italian archdioceses whose
Arcidiocesi diprefix the generator was missing.Seven entries still carry a type word: Italy's territorial prelatures and territorial abbacies. They were deliberately left untouched in #2 because reducing them is a naming decision rather than a generator fix. This issue is to settle it.
The seven entries
circ:it-prelatura-territoriale-di-loretocirc:it-loretocirc:it-prelatura-territoriale-di-pompeicirc:it-pompeicirc:it-abbazia-territoriale-di-montecassinocirc:it-montecassinocirc:it-abbazia-territoriale-di-monteverginecirc:it-monteverginecirc:it-abbazia-territoriale-di-subiacocirc:it-subiacocirc:it-abbazia-territoriale-di-monte-oliveto-maggiorecirc:it-monte-oliveto-maggiorecirc:it-abbazia-territoriale-della-santissima-trinita-di-cava-de-tirreniThe military ordinariate (
circ:it-ordinariato-militare-per-l-italia) is not in scope: rule 5 provides for ordinariates, which have no see beneath the type word.Conflict check
Checked all seven candidates against the 2,935 seeded IDs. No collisions —
circ:it-loreto,circ:it-pompei,circ:it-subiaco,circ:it-montecassino,circ:it-montevergine,circ:it-monte-oliveto-maggioreandcirc:it-cava-de-tirreniare all free. So the reduction is mechanically safe, and the question is whether it is right.The one case that needs a separate decision
Abbazia territoriale della Santissima Trinità di Cava de' Tirrenidoesn't reduce cleanly, because its name carries both a dedication (Santissima Trinità) and a place (Cava de' Tirreni):circ:it-cava-de-tirreni— free, but Cava de' Tirreni is already half the title of the archdiocesecirc:it-amalfi-cava-de-tirreni. Two distinct circumscriptions would then be identified by the same place, which is exactly the confusion rule 2 exists to prevent.circ:it-santissima-trinita-di-cava-de-tirreni— free and unambiguous, but keeps adiconstruction and identifies by dedication rather than by see.Worth noting the abbacies generally differ from dioceses here: an abbacy's identity is bound to a monastery rather than to a civil city, so "the see name" is a less obvious notion for them than for a diocese. Montecassino and Subiaco reduce naturally because monastery and place coincide; Cava de' Tirreni is where that stops being true.
Questions to settle
scripts/generate_seed.py's strip rule, or held in theMANUALoverride table? The source styles these consistently, so a strip rule would work — but a rule that stripsAbbazia territoriale diwould apply to any nation's abbacies, and the seed is currently Latin-rite-only with more sources to come.All IDs remain drafts pending committee review, so this is decidable now at no cost to consumers. Related discussion on identifier stability: #1.