[Feature] Support Live 12 (Beta)

[enoversum]

Hey @Inversil , I know it's quite early, and I totally get that Live 12 isn't yet ready for shipping, or completely finished, so things might change until then. It however appears that Live's new browser, as powerful as it just got, won't accept a typical LES search to some extent.

If you pick an item from your double-right-click menu, you can see it being typed into Live's browser, then Live swallows it whole, until you re-click your menu item, then Live re-searches, then finds and opens the corresponding item. Meaning, you'd always need two searches for one and the same search to actually load your search result.
I can probably create a screencast, but there is really not much more to it than what I described. Live 12 took over my L11 settings, so apart from new features and shortcuts and the likes, my settings haven't changed.

[enoversum]

Ableton_Live_12_Beta_2MtjOKZk6i.mp4

Okay, here is a quick demo of the issue. Loaded a fresh new set with minimal devices, so a high CPU strain can't be the reason.

[IOnlyFetchBranches]

Just wanted to say I get the same behavior, anything we can do to help? Would love to understand this code more ;)

Love LES a ton and it was weird going without it, thats forsure

[IOnlyFetchBranches]

Also, i dont know much about AHK, but i spent a few hours speed learning and i think i made a rudimentary fix that may perhaps help anyone else having this issue.

In short, im not happy with it, i just changed it so it runs the selection twice, i also added a delay in between the down arrrow and the enter key send event, after noticing a bit of desync, or what i think was desync, again, new to this.

possible.fix.mp4

No guarantee it works for you, but i know for me LES is super essential to my workflow so i had to figure out some dumb workaround. Don't bite me once it starts opening your plugins twice in the future ;P

These are the only changes i made, and who knows if it will break at next patch, just figured i'd share in case it comes in handy for anyone else

The much smarter dev of the project will come up with a better fix i'm sure :)

Edit: funnily enough, after a little testing, it did add it twice, so i think the key is in the delay there and splitting the send command, just a hunch, but yea, if you have that problem, set the loop back to one, to reiterate, keep line 1156 as it is, then compile your own copy, theres a chance it may start working for you too.

sorry; again, i'm a c# dev LOL

[jones0170]

Hi, I am not trying to hijack this issue thread. It seems Live 12 is dropping on 3/5. Any chances of this beautiful work, that has become my total workflow process... continuing on in Live 12? I have not a clue on what changes there would be, as it seems there is a lot of changes, underneath the Live 12 hood, with shortcuts. Lots remain the same, however. Just curious and thank you for any insight you can provide, as well as providing us with such a great tool.

[DirkDingleberry]

Hi, I am not trying to hijack this issue thread. It seems Live 12 is dropping on 3/5. Any chances of this beautiful work, that has become my total workflow process... continuing on in Live 12? I have not a clue on what changes there would be, as it seems there is a lot of changes, underneath the Live 12 hood, with shortcuts. Lots remain the same, however. Just curious and thank you for any insight you can provide, as well as providing us with such a great tool.

I'm hoping for this as well! Currently on the beta, and LES almost works. You can add devices from the right click menu, but you have to do it twice for it to work for some reason, so it's much less efficient currently. I hope it's an easy fix!

[IOnlyFetchBranches]

hmmm, in case you guys are on windows and.. just dont wanna compile ur own AHK script, you can give this a go. I just used the innosetup script they provided -- however i recommend reading the readme and building your own copy incase the timings i tweaked dont work for you. If it doesn't work for you, you can follow my last post to try to tweak your own timings.
You can rename your current LES (Under %UserProfile%\Documents\LES) to (name)_backup.exe, then install this one if you'd like.

I've been using this edit since i got beta access and it still works fine. Hopefully the dev will drop a final build once live 12 has been out some time + they are prolly busy with other things lol. I only ask that you give it a heart if it works for u thx, if it doesnt work, i'm sorry friend

Happy producing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15uFKVPrCP1J0W0qj8icGOFWu01oS_9j7/view?usp=sharing

[DirkDingleberry]

Thank you Branches! I'm a noob when it comes to most things and I've never compiled my own code, so this was very helpful.

[Smopraq]

[IOnlyFetchBranches] Thanks, that works suprisingly well!

On another note, not sure this is the place for this, but: feature request: Shortcut keyboardcommand for the new combined freeze & flatten function? Ctrl+Alt+F for example.

Official ableton notes:
You can now freeze and flatten tracks in a single step using the new "Freeze and Flatten Track" command. This command can be found in the Edit menu, or the right-click context menu of a Track Title Bar.

[IOnlyFetchBranches]

[IOnlyFetchBranches] Thanks, that works suprisingly well!

On another note, not sure this is the place for this, but: feature request: Shortcut keyboardcommand for the new combined freeze & flatten function? Ctrl+Alt+F for example.

Official ableton notes: You can now freeze and flatten tracks in a single step using the new "Freeze and Flatten Track" command. This command can be found in the Edit menu, or the right-click context menu of a Track Title Bar.

not the right place at all bud, please keep it on topic.

You can open another issue, but this one is about compatibility with live 12. I can look into it though, when i have time. Also I wanna look into if its possible to incorporate the new filters into search so that maybe we can finally escape the age old "echo" opens "alter echo" because it because "alter echo" begins with a and contains "echo"

That could def take some work though.

[enoversum]

[IOnlyFetchBranches] Thanks, that works suprisingly well!
On another note, not sure this is the place for this, but: feature request: Shortcut keyboardcommand for the new combined freeze & flatten function? Ctrl+Alt+F for example.
Official ableton notes: You can now freeze and flatten tracks in a single step using the new "Freeze and Flatten Track" command. This command can be found in the Edit menu, or the right-click context menu of a Track Title Bar.

not the right place at all bud, please keep it on topic.

You can open another issue, but this one is about compatibility with live 12. I can look into it though, when i have time. Also I wanna look into if its possible to incorporate the new filters into search so that maybe we can finally escape the age old "echo" opens "alter echo" because it because "alter echo" begins with a and contains "echo"

That could def take some work though.

You could circumvent such behaviour by creating a preset for your Live device or plugin and name it exactly the way you named your preset, in quotes, as in: "My lovely device.adg". Had the same trouble, and could amend all those false results by it.

[IOnlyFetchBranches]

[IOnlyFetchBranches] Thanks, that works suprisingly well!
On another note, not sure this is the place for this, but: feature request: Shortcut keyboardcommand for the new combined freeze & flatten function? Ctrl+Alt+F for example.
Official ableton notes: You can now freeze and flatten tracks in a single step using the new "Freeze and Flatten Track" command. This command can be found in the Edit menu, or the right-click context menu of a Track Title Bar.

not the right place at all bud, please keep it on topic.
You can open another issue, but this one is about compatibility with live 12. I can look into it though, when i have time. Also I wanna look into if its possible to incorporate the new filters into search so that maybe we can finally escape the age old "echo" opens "alter echo" because it because "alter echo" begins with a and contains "echo"
That could def take some work though.

You could circumvent such behaviour by creating a preset for your Live device or plugin and name it exactly the way you named your preset, in quotes, as in: "My lovely device.adg". Had the same trouble, and could amend all those false results by it.

yea i know, and i do that, however it just feels... dirty. i can't help but think there is a bettter way with the new filter system

[enoversum]

[IOnlyFetchBranches] Thanks, that works suprisingly well!
On another note, not sure this is the place for this, but: feature request: Shortcut keyboardcommand for the new combined freeze & flatten function? Ctrl+Alt+F for example.
Official ableton notes: You can now freeze and flatten tracks in a single step using the new "Freeze and Flatten Track" command. This command can be found in the Edit menu, or the right-click context menu of a Track Title Bar.

not the right place at all bud, please keep it on topic.
You can open another issue, but this one is about compatibility with live 12. I can look into it though, when i have time. Also I wanna look into if its possible to incorporate the new filters into search so that maybe we can finally escape the age old "echo" opens "alter echo" because it because "alter echo" begins with a and contains "echo"
That could def take some work though.

You could circumvent such behaviour by creating a preset for your Live device or plugin and name it exactly the way you named your preset, in quotes, as in: "My lovely device.adg". Had the same trouble, and could amend all those false results by it.

yea i know, and i do that, however it just feels... dirty. i can't help but think there is a bettter way with the new filter system

There might be, I honestly haven't had the time to try out Live 12 really, as the Beta versions had a nasty VST plugin scaling bug (plus no LES compatibility), and now I'm working full-time on building a little studio :) .

What project did you mean ^^?

[IOnlyFetchBranches]

[IOnlyFetchBranches] Thanks, that works suprisingly well!
On another note, not sure this is the place for this, but: feature request: Shortcut keyboardcommand for the new combined freeze & flatten function? Ctrl+Alt+F for example.
Official ableton notes: You can now freeze and flatten tracks in a single step using the new "Freeze and Flatten Track" command. This command can be found in the Edit menu, or the right-click context menu of a Track Title Bar.

not the right place at all bud, please keep it on topic.
You can open another issue, but this one is about compatibility with live 12. I can look into it though, when i have time. Also I wanna look into if its possible to incorporate the new filters into search so that maybe we can finally escape the age old "echo" opens "alter echo" because it because "alter echo" begins with a and contains "echo"
That could def take some work though.

You could circumvent such behaviour by creating a preset for your Live device or plugin and name it exactly the way you named your preset, in quotes, as in: "My lovely device.adg". Had the same trouble, and could amend all those false results by it.

yea i know, and i do that, however it just feels... dirty. i can't help but think there is a bettter way with the new filter system

There might be, I honestly haven't had the time to try out Live 12 really, as the Beta versions had a nasty VST plugin scaling bug (plus no LES compatibility), and now I'm working full-time on building a little studio :) .

What project did you mean ^^?

I'm sorry i got you mixed up with @Inversil T_T

You guys have very similar names to my ADHD brain i suppose? haha
Ouch about the bug, i've been loving 12 so far.. i only wish i'd gotten access to the beta sooner. maybe i could've done more when i was in between projects.

best of luck with the studio though, i just got some adams t7vs in for mine, but i still have a little bit more sound maxxing to do :-)

[enoversum]

[IOnlyFetchBranches] Thanks, that works suprisingly well!
On another note, not sure this is the place for this, but: feature request: Shortcut keyboardcommand for the new combined freeze & flatten function? Ctrl+Alt+F for example.
Official ableton notes: You can now freeze and flatten tracks in a single step using the new "Freeze and Flatten Track" command. This command can be found in the Edit menu, or the right-click context menu of a Track Title Bar.

not the right place at all bud, please keep it on topic.
You can open another issue, but this one is about compatibility with live 12. I can look into it though, when i have time. Also I wanna look into if its possible to incorporate the new filters into search so that maybe we can finally escape the age old "echo" opens "alter echo" because it because "alter echo" begins with a and contains "echo"
That could def take some work though.

You could circumvent such behaviour by creating a preset for your Live device or plugin and name it exactly the way you named your preset, in quotes, as in: "My lovely device.adg". Had the same trouble, and could amend all those false results by it.

yea i know, and i do that, however it just feels... dirty. i can't help but think there is a bettter way with the new filter system

There might be, I honestly haven't had the time to try out Live 12 really, as the Beta versions had a nasty VST plugin scaling bug (plus no LES compatibility), and now I'm working full-time on building a little studio :) .
What project did you mean ^^?

I'm sorry i got you mixed up with @Inversil T_T

You guys have very similar names to my ADHD brain i suppose? haha Ouch about the bug, i've been loving 12 so far.. i only wish i'd gotten access to the beta sooner. maybe i could've done more when i was in between projects.

best of luck with the studio though, i just got some adams t7vs in for mine, but i still have a little bit more sound maxxing to do :-)

Alright, no worries then. Already thought you didn't mean me 🙂.

The bug was nasty, and had me not use L12 entirely. I'm glad they fixed it for the release version (which has bugs and issues of its own, as far as I've read). In Live's Beta forums, Ableton is more interested in getting to know and fixing actual bugs. There is a very active discussion about legacy shortcuts suddenly dropped in Live 12, with some rather strange new ones, and they didn't really react and bring back shortcuts before release. Very confusing, but I'm not sure how much you could have shaped Live 12 in an active way.

Thanks, I'm a web designer and musician, and not a builder, but it's so fantastic (and exhausting) to actually BUILD a studio, that is, up from its foundation, including walls, roof, windows, floor etc. Not just decorating and optimising a room. But we're getting rather off-topic here.