Minutes 2019 02 14

Present: Wilco, Dagfinn, Brynn, Anne, Brian, Jey, Shadi Scribe: Jey

[16:08] https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/issues/422 [16:08] https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/issues/422 [16:08] TOPIC: Put IDs in rule frontmatter, rather than get it form the filename [16:09] @wilco - some of the new rules have 6 character strings in file names, hence we may have to add ids to front-matter [16:09] elaboration, frontmatter with the --- content --- in the md file is called front matter [16:11] @bryn - got excited with the sun and put his hand up [16:11] @anne - usecases for the id, was to easily refer them [16:12] @wilco - url stays the same as the id [16:14] @jey - so we are not changing the filename to 6 digit random chars, instead id is a unique random string within filename. [16:15] @wilco - but the url will be id.html [16:15] next topic - https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/issues/420 [16:15] @wilco - to take an action for issue 422, to come up with a better naming convention for file names. [16:16] Issue - 420 - remove oudated glossary [16:16] @anne - some of them are outdated and these need to be deprecated/ moved to outdated folder [16:16] @wilco - sounds, good & no objections [16:17] @anne & @jey - to sort this out during pairing [16:17] next topic https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/pull/419 [16:18] @bryn - @jorge came up with a rule idea, I have authored a rule and need feedback/ debate [16:19] @bryn - have reached out to @jorge, need feedback on what svg elements are images and what does AT recognise etc [16:21] see - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/SVG/Element/image [16:22] @wilco - unsure about SVG spec [16:23] @wilco - do other partners have implementations for this [16:24] @shadi - technically manual methodology should cover this, is it potentially possible to have implementation. It would be useful to add this. [16:25] @shadi - wcag says non text content should be communicated to AT via alternative text, so this should imply to SVG as well [16:25] <anne_thyme> RGAA image criteria: https://disic.github.io/rgaa_referentiel_en/criteria.html#images (Ctrl+F for "svg") [16:26] @wilco - it is difficult to diff graphic object from actual graphic [16:27] @wilco - svg can draw charts and text, as instead an img can represent a graphic, it can get difficult to understand this [16:27] @shadi - worth exploring [16:28] @bryn - can we extend image-has-name rule for svg [16:28] @bryn - or create a new rule to tackle svg image elms? [16:30] @wilco - consider who can implement this, and reach out to people which svg expertise [16:31] https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/issues/411 [16:31] @anne - if we have a link that is completely empty, is it a wcag violation? some tools flag it but alfa does not [16:32] @wilco - i believe it is a violation [16:32] @anne - nothing shows up to the user, why should AT know? [16:33] @wilco - but it is a focusable element, and hence should have an accessible name. [16:34] [16:35] @anne - i cannot tab to a completely empty link, oh actually I can :) [16:35] @bryn - we should definitely flag it as a failure [16:35] @anne - we should add a testcase [16:36] <Brian_Bors> Jey, that was me. Not Bryn. :) [16:36] https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/pull/408 [16:36] next topic - https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/pull/408 [16:37] Jey: New rule, CSS Orientation lock. It is a composite rule I authored with Audrey [16:37] ... there are two ways to go about it. If the page content is not locked by media queries. [16:37] ... the other rule is about even if there is an orientation lock, there should be a control that lets you handle orientation [16:38] .... There are a few comments. I have resolved about half of them [16:39] <anne_thyme> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/orientation.html [16:46] topic: https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/issues/368 [16:48] @shadi - expressing concern on rules with assumptions, and getting it through working group. [16:49] @shadi - as against can we just flag such rules as semi automated? [16:49] @wilco - it is a tradeoff, and decisions to be made by tool developers [16:51] @wilco - personally don't mind if auto-wcag rules do not get published by AG, and I am willing to have that conversation separately. [16:53] https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/issues/368 [16:54] @anne - explaining stages to process of including rules [16:55] @wilco - like the idea, but why can't we create issues for initial feedback? [16:59] @anne - this will stop rules from getting published with out enough approvals [16:59] @wilco - rule authors should take responsibility for sending out that email [17:00] @wilco - lets try out the new process [17:01] @bryn - to add labels to https://github.com/auto-wcag/auto-wcag/pull/263