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[None][perf] Speed up CUTLASS MoE FP8 block-scale row expansion and activation launch - #21178
CUTLASS MoE row expansion and activation launch changes, split out of #20878. The FlashMLA -rdc build change that was
also here moved to #22028 at review request. The Python changes are in #21179 and the Triton FP8-activation MoE is
in #21250; this PR does not depend on either.
FP8 block-scale row expansion
expandInputRowsFp8BlockScaleKernel binary-searched the expert offsets for every permuted row. Each block now takes a
contiguous run of permuted rows, searches once for the first row and advances the expert linearly (rows are sorted by
expert).
Activation launch (all CUTLASS MoE quant modes)
doActivation always launched 256-thread blocks with eight channels per thread, so a 512-wide intermediate slice
(tensor parallelism) left three quarters of each block idle. The block is now sized to the row width in whole warps.
doActivation is the shared activation launcher of every CUTLASS MoE path: FP8 block-scale, the TMA warp-specialized
path (NVFP4, MXFP8, FP8, W4AFP8), AWQ/W4A16 with a prequant scale, the SM80-89 FP8 path and the LoRA bias apply. Any of
them with fewer than 256 column vectors per row (bf16 inter_size < 2048, FP8 < 4096) now launches narrower blocks on
SM80-SM120. Each thread still owns one column vector, and the scale-factor padding and 16-lane FP8 quant groups do not
depend on the block width.
getMaxActiveBlocksPerSM now caches occupancy per (kernel, block size, dynamic shared memory) instead of per kernel,
since the same activation kernel is now launched with several block widths.
Existing CUTLASS MoE tests (H100 MoE module/backend tests) and TestDeepSeekV3Lite::test_fp8_block_scales, which runs
the multi-row-per-block expansion end to end. A targeted Hopper case with many rows per block and skewed routing is
pending.
End-to-end GSM8K on GLM-5.3-Flash FP8 (H200 TP4) unchanged.
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The change optimizes FP8 block-scale MoE row expansion by finding the first row’s expert once per block and advancing through expert boundaries. It also selects an activation block width aligned to whole warps and sized for the row width.
The occupancy cache now distinguishes block size and dynamic shared-memory size. It does not include the CUDA device in its key, so a process that queries the same kernel and launch shape on multiple devices could reuse an occupancy result from another device.
The diff contains no FlashMLA build configuration change. Performance measurements and the reported FlashMLA changes in the objectives are not established by this diff.
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cpp/tensorrt_llm/kernels/moe/cutlass/moe_kernels.cu: Verify row expansion across expert boundaries, including empty experts, and check activation outputs for narrow and multi-tile rows. The diff adds a positive-width check and changes launch geometry; it does not add tests.
cpp/include/tensorrt_llm/common/cudaUtils.h: Verify occupancy results for different launch shapes and across devices. The cache key now includes block size and dynamic shared-memory size, but not device identity.
The occupancy cache now distinguishes launch shapes. The FP8 row-expansion kernel processes contiguous row ranges, and the activation launcher selects its block width from the column count.
The kernel assigns contiguous row intervals to blocks, finds the first row’s expert, then advances the expert index as it processes rows across expert boundaries.
doActivation rejects a non-positive column count and selects a warp-aligned block width capped at 256 threads. The occupancy calculation and column-grid dimension use that width. The row-per-CTA branch remains unchanged; its threshold comment is updated.
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Review comments at @cpp/tensorrt_llm/kernels/moe/cutlass/moe_kernels.cu:
- Around line 2890-2892: Update the occupancy lookup around
getMaxActiveBlocksPerSM so its cached result is specific to the activation block
width represented by threads; alternatively, bypass the cache for this query.
Ensure calls to the same kernel specialization with different thread counts
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CUDA Hopper SM90 64K registers 64 warps 32 blocks per multiprocessor occupancy register allocation granularity 256 registers per warp
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Sources consulted:
- 1. NVIDIA Hopper Tuning Guide — Hopper Tuning Guide 13.5 documentation — https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/hopper-tuning-guide/
- CUDA C++ Best Practices Guide — https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/archive/12.2.0/pdf/CUDA_C_Best_Practices_Guide.pdf
- Font Test — https://developer-blogs.nvidia.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/CUDA-Programming-and-Optimization.pdf
- Hopper Tuning Guide — https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/archive/13.0.0/pdf/Hopper_Tuning_Guide.pdf
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rg -n -F -e 'UnfusedGemmOutputType' -e 'BlockScaleFC1(' -- cpp/tensorrt_llm/kernels/moe/cutlass/moe_kernels.cu cpp/tensorrt_llm/kernels/moe/cutlass/moe_kernels.h
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Cache occupancy by block width
If a 256-thread activation call precedes a 64-thread call to the same kernel specialization, the second call reuses the first call's occupancy. This can substantially reduce grid_x and leave the narrower activation processing more rows per block. Include the block width in the occupancy cache key, or bypass the cache for this query.
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lines 2890 - 2892:
Update the occupancy lookup around getMaxActiveBlocksPerSM so its cached result
is specific to the activation block width represented by threads; alternatively,
bypass the cache for this query. Ensure calls to the same kernel specialization
with different thread counts cannot reuse one another’s occupancy result.
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Fixed in 59c442b: getMaxActiveBlocksPerSM now caches one occupancy per (kernel, block size, dynamic shared memory), so launches of the same specialization with different block widths no longer share an entry.
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@farazkh80, could you help to review this PR as trt-llm-torch-attention-devs? Thanks~
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Reviewed both commits against the merge base. I found no correctness problem: the per-block expert walk in expandInputRowsFp8BlockScaleKernel returns the same expert as the per-row binary search (empty experts included), the narrower activation blocks still give each thread one column vector and keep the 16-lane FP8 quant groups whole, and FlashMLA at the pinned commit (15f13e50) builds the same sources without -rdc and has no cross-TU device symbols. Counts: 0 blockers, 1 possibly blocking, 2 required, 7 nice to have.
[Possibly blocking] +1 to coderabbitai's thread on cpp/tensorrt_llm/kernels/moe/cutlass/moe_kernels.cu:2892: getMaxActiveBlocksPerSM caches occupancy per kernel pointer only (cudaUtils.h:425-437), and this PR now queries the same doActivationKernel specialization with a block size that depends on inter_size. In a process that runs two MoE widths, whichever runs first sets grid_x for the other: the narrow one loses this PR's speedup, or the wide one gets an oversubscribed grid. Results stay correct. What decides it: on H100/H200, run a wide (inter_size 2048) then a narrow (512) CUTLASS MoE layer in one process, and the reverse order in another, and compare doActivationKernel time (nsys) with a fresh process and with the merge base; more than ~3% slower than the merge base in either order would make it a blocker. Simplest fix: key the cache on (kernel, blockSize, dynamicSMemSize), or call cudaOccupancyMaxActiveBlocksPerMultiprocessor directly for this launch.
[Nice to have] No L0 pipeline has run on 7b08d74 yet (only pre-commit, DCO and the title/checklist checks). The -rdc removal is only verified by the Build stages (x86_64 and SBSA, FlashMLA for sm90 and sm100f) and unittest/_torch/attention on H100/B200, and the MoE change by the H100 MoE module tests and TestDeepSeekV3Lite::test_fp8_block_scales. Please /bot run and link the result.
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[Required] This PR bundles two unrelated changes: the FlashMLA build flag here (flash_mla_cpp_tllm, attention) and the CUTLASS MoE expansion/activation kernels in moe_kernels.cu. They have different owners (both trt-llm-torch-attention-devs and trt-llm-moe-devs were pulled in) and different failure modes, so a build or perf problem in one would force reverting the other with it. AGENTS.md: "One concern per PR — avoid scope creep. If a PR touches unrelated areas, split it." The two commits (9031434 and 7b08d74) are already independent; please split them into two PRs.
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Done. The FlashMLA -rdc change is now #22028; this PR keeps only the CUTLASS MoE expansion/activation changes, and the title and description are updated.
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[Required] The title and description present this as an FP8 block-scale change ("FP8 block-scale CUTLASS MoE: row expansion and activation", "the MoE kernels change scheduling only"), but doActivation is the shared activation launcher for every CUTLASS MoE path: the FP8 block-scale calls (3647, 3662), the TMA-WS path for NVFP4/MXFP8/FP8/W4AFP8 (3847), AWQ/W4A16 with a prequant scale (3826), the SM80–89 FP8 path (3873) and the LoRA bias apply (4040). Each of them with fewer than 256 vectors per row (bf16 inter_size < 2048, fp8 < 4096, i.e. most TP-sliced MoEs) now launches a different block shape on SM80–SM120. I don't see a correctness problem (each thread still owns one column vector, and the SF padding and the 16-lane FP8 quant groups don't depend on blockDim.y), but please say in the description that this applies to all CUTLASS MoE quant modes, and add one data point outside FP8 block-scale on H200, e.g. NVFP4 CUTLASS MoE on B200 at TP4–8 (activation kernel time before/after).
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Agreed. The title and description now say that doActivation is the shared launcher for every CUTLASS MoE quant mode and list the affected paths. I'll add the NVFP4 CUTLASS MoE data point on B200 (activation kernel time before/after at TP4-8) once I have an allocation for it.
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[Nice to have] No kernel-level test reaches the new per-block row range. The H100 MoE unit tests run seq_len 1 and 8 (test_moe_module.py:1025, test_moe_backend.py:4921), so num_valid_tokens <= num_rows * k <= gridDim.x (launcher at 1923) and each block gets at most one row: the while advance at 1884 never runs. Only TestDeepSeekV3Lite::test_fp8_block_scales (GSM8K on H100, CUTLASS) exercises it, end to end. Consider adding a CUTLASS + FP8_BLOCK_SCALES case on Hopper with num_tokens * top_k well above SMs x 8 (e.g. 512 tokens x top-4) and skewed routing that leaves some local experts empty, checked against the reference.
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Agreed, the H100 unit tests only ever give a block one row. I'll add a CUTLASS + FP8_BLOCK_SCALES Hopper case with num_tokens * top_k well above SMs x 8 and skewed routing that leaves local experts empty, checked against the reference, once I can run it on H100/H200. Until then TestDeepSeekV3Lite::test_fp8_block_scales covers the multi-row path end to end.
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[Nice to have] This search-once-then-advance walk is now the second copy of the same loop (doActivationKernel, 2414). A small __device__ helper next to findTotalEltsLessThanTarget in moe_utils.cuh would keep the two in sync, and expandInputRowsKernel's NVFP4/MXFP8 and AWQ paths (1474, 1523), which still binary-search every row, could pick it up in a follow-up.
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Good idea. I'd like to keep this PR to the FP8 block-scale expansion and do the shared __device__ helper together with the NVFP4/MXFP8 and AWQ expansion paths (which still search per row) in a follow-up, so that change can be measured on those formats.
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[Nice to have] nit: the kRows selection comments further down (2918, 2923: "256 threads per block * 256 blocks ...") still assume 256-thread blocks, but narrow rows now launch 32–224-thread blocks. Please reword them in terms of num_elems_in_col * expanded_num_tokens so nobody retunes the thresholds from the old arithmetic.
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[Nice to have] This only helps rows narrower than one block. Rows just over 256 vectors still launch a mostly idle second block (bf16 inter_size 2304–2880 at TP1, e.g. GPT-OSS's 2880: 288–360 columns, second block 59–88% idle), and both doActivationDynamic launches (3006–3012, 3025–3029) keep 256-thread blocks. A small helper that spreads the columns evenly over grid_y (grid_y = ceilDiv(n, 256); threads = ceilDiv(ceilDiv(n, grid_y), 32) * 32) would cover all three launches.
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Agreed that rows just over 256 vectors and doActivationDynamic would benefit too. I'll leave the even split over grid_y to a follow-up with its own measurements (e.g. GPT-OSS's 2880), to keep this PR's behavior change limited to rows narrower than one block.
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[Nice to have]threads is 0 when num_elems_in_col == 0, and this line then divides by zero on the host (the old divisor was the constant 256). Only inter_size == 0 gets here, since the host alignment checks (4574, moeOp.cpp:663) keep every positive size at least one vector wide, so a TLLM_CHECK_WITH_INFO(num_elems_in_col > 0, ...) before computing threads is enough.
Two of the CUTLASS MoE kernels around the FP8 block-scale grouped GEMMs
were latency-bound at prefill sizes:
- expandInputRowsFp8BlockScaleKernel binary-searched the expert offsets
for every permuted row it moved. Each block now takes a contiguous run
of permuted rows, searches once for the first row and advances the
expert linearly (rows are sorted by expert).
- doActivation always launched 256-thread blocks, but each thread covers
eight channels, so a 512-wide intermediate slice (tensor parallelism)
left three quarters of every block idle. The block is now sized to the
row width in whole warps.
GLM-5.3-Flash FP8, H200 TP4, 13K-token prefill (45 MoE layers, 106K
expanded rows): row expansion 29.6 -> 18.9 ms, activation 13.7 -> 6.6 ms;
TTFT 522 -> 507 ms at concurrency 1. GSM8K unchanged.
Signed-off-by: Ruocheng Jia <ruochengj@nvidia.com>
getMaxActiveBlocksPerSM cached one occupancy per kernel pointer, while
doActivation now launches the same kernel specialization with a block
width that follows the row width. In a process with two MoE intermediate
sizes, whichever launched first set the grid size of the other. Cache one
entry per (kernel, block size, dynamic shared memory) instead.
Also in doActivation: reject a zero-width row before sizing the block
from it, and describe the rows-per-CTA thresholds in terms of the column
vector count rather than 256-thread blocks. Use std::min for the row
range end in the FP8 block-scale row expansion.
Signed-off-by: Ruocheng Jia <ruochengj@nvidia.com>
ruocheng-nv
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[None][perf] Build FlashMLA without -rdc and speed up FP8 block-scale MoE expansion/activation
[None][perf] Speed up CUTLASS MoE FP8 block-scale row expansion and activation launch
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Description
CUTLASS MoE row expansion and activation launch changes, split out of #20878. The FlashMLA
-rdcbuild change that wasalso here moved to #22028 at review request. The Python changes are in #21179 and the Triton FP8-activation MoE is
in #21250; this PR does not depend on either.
FP8 block-scale row expansion
expandInputRowsFp8BlockScaleKernelbinary-searched the expert offsets for every permuted row. Each block now takes acontiguous run of permuted rows, searches once for the first row and advances the expert linearly (rows are sorted by
expert).
Activation launch (all CUTLASS MoE quant modes)
doActivationalways launched 256-thread blocks with eight channels per thread, so a 512-wide intermediate slice(tensor parallelism) left three quarters of each block idle. The block is now sized to the row width in whole warps.
doActivationis the shared activation launcher of every CUTLASS MoE path: FP8 block-scale, the TMA warp-specializedpath (NVFP4, MXFP8, FP8, W4AFP8), AWQ/W4A16 with a prequant scale, the SM80-89 FP8 path and the LoRA bias apply. Any of
them with fewer than 256 column vectors per row (bf16
inter_size< 2048, FP8 < 4096) now launches narrower blocks onSM80-SM120. Each thread still owns one column vector, and the scale-factor padding and 16-lane FP8 quant groups do not
depend on the block width.
getMaxActiveBlocksPerSMnow caches occupancy per (kernel, block size, dynamic shared memory) instead of per kernel,since the same activation kernel is now launched with several block widths.
Performance
activation 13.7 -> 6.6 ms; C1 TTFT 522 -> 507 ms. GSM8K unchanged.
kernel time before/after) is pending.
Test Coverage
TestDeepSeekV3Lite::test_fp8_block_scales, which runsthe multi-row-per-block expansion end to end. A targeted Hopper case with many rows per block and skewed routing is
pending.
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cpp/tensorrt_llm/kernels/moe/cutlass/moe_kernels.cu: Verify row expansion across expert boundaries, including empty experts, and check activation outputs for narrow and multi-tile rows. The diff adds a positive-width check and changes launch geometry; it does not add tests.cpp/include/tensorrt_llm/common/cudaUtils.h: Verify occupancy results for different launch shapes and across devices. The cache key now includes block size and dynamic shared-memory size, but not device identity.